MNF Metropolis Episode 2 - Planning Thread

[fcrivers]

When saying "We'll just have to disagree" speak for yourself cuz I'm in part agree with fcrivers, cuz MNF Metropoli XXX Files in the beginning was an idea including opposites, I mean supers vs s. villains, cops vs bandits and so. Mizuki is a good character but she just doesn't fit in there.
Your idea is winning cuz there's no other good ideas in the voting list for the sequel. I know that was rude but that's the truth, sorry.

The idea is good I'm not saying that is bad but this idea rather would be good for a other game instead (not a sequel to this one).

100% with you dude!

He likes Mizuki a lot I get it. I like Mizuki too, heck I would love to see more of her and Tsunade, There are infinite possibilities for those characters to be in. forcing her in every situation is just biased and unreasonable.

He just said she would be a random fuck at the end, like really, how is that "fitting the lore"... might aswell throw busty bomber as the evil doer and fuck her at the end, would be way better for plot.

Really hope Vadim doesn't listen to these wacky ideas and continues making XXX files about solving crimes in MnF Metropolis, with, as you mentioned, opposed ideas, villains and heroes.

[junky]

When saying "We'll just have to disagree" speak for yourself cuz I'm in part agree with fcrivers, cuz MNF Metropoli XXX Files in the beginning was an idea including opposites, I mean supers vs s. villains, cops vs bandits and so. Mizuki is a good character but she just doesn't fit in there.
Your idea is winning cuz there's no other good ideas in the voting list for the sequel. I know that was rude but that's the truth, sorry.

The idea is good I'm not saying that is bad but this idea rather would be good for a other game instead (not a sequel to this one).

100% with you dude!

He likes Mizuki a lot I get it. I like Mizuki too, heck I would love to see more of her and Tsunade, There are infinite possibilities for those characters to be in. forcing her in every situation is just biased and unreasonable.

He just said she would be a random fuck at the end, like really, how is that "fitting the lore"... might aswell throw busty bomber as the evil doer and fuck her at the end, would be way better for plot.

Really hope Vadim doesn't listen to these wacky ideas and continues making XXX files about solving crimes in MnF Metropolis, with, as you mentioned, opposed ideas, villains and heroes.

Hey! I would like to see Tsunade again too! And also Matsumoto!
Unfortunately my writing skills sucks otherwise I could try

[Jimjim3DX]

Look, I personally don't care about Mizuki, It could be anyone as far as I'm concerned. I'm only defending my point of view. It's not like I'm suggesting to add Batman, the Hulk, Goku and Scooby Doo into the Metropolis lore. That doesn't make sense and is completely immersion breaking. If I was trying to force one of my "preferred waifus" into the game just for the sake of it, I would have chosen some of the One Piece chicks or something. This isn't about being overly attached to Mizuki or biased towards her. I just thought it was about time she had a game again and that a lot of people would support that. I wouldn't have chosen her specifically if I'd known that Mizuki was going to be in an upcoming Serega game at the time of submissions.

There is absolutely nothing to suggest that the MnF version of Mizuki couldn't exist within the MnF Metropolis world if we wanted her to. I completely understand your point of view on that front. You simply don't agree with that, and you find it to be "out of place" or lore breaking for your own reasons.

The game I suggested is exactly what you are suggesting. It's still about Watson solving super-being related cases inside of MnF metropolis. Mizuki, is just the damsel in distress. There will be cops, a super heroine and a super villain. There are popular returning characters like Natalya. It's about Watson and a super-heroine uncovering clues around the city and taking down a super villian together, while rescuing Diva Mizuki at the same time. With some buddy-cop action with Baka for a bit of comedic relief.

You are completely right. I'm not dumb, I know that my idea is winning because I put Diza Mizuki in it and the title. As for the lack of other good ideas. That's obviously not my fault. I created this thread specifically so we could come up with an idea together. Don't get salty now because only 2 people bothered to submit ideas and you don't like either of them. There was a whole week to suggest alternatives or have these sorts of discussions before voting opened.

Since emotions are often lost over internet typing I'd like to make it clear that I'm not upset or offended by anything you guys are saying. I understand your points of view. But the way I see it, your only valid argument here is you think the inclusion of Mizuki is plain wrong and I just flat out disagree with that. The rest of my idea addresses all your other concerns.

[crocdeloup]

Jimjim3DX do you really think you win thanks to Diva mizuki?

It is me who is writing the other idea, it is not suitable?

[Jimjim3DX]

Jimjim3DX do you really think you win thanks to Diva mizuki?

It is me who is writing the other idea, it is not suitable?

I think that the average member would have seen "Diva Mizuki" and though "yes", without thinking too hard. Of course I'm also Biased and think my idea fits more than yours does.

This is going to sound very hypocritical of me, considering I've been accused of the same things here. But as far as your idea goes, you're basically taking 2 established Marvel heroines, a DC heroine and a Video game character and trying to put them into the MnF metropolis lore. Which in my opinion is a lot harder to justify than inserting Diva Mizuki as the damsel in distress.

Apart from just not caring too much about your 4 chosen characters, I felt like your idea was just a game where you fuck some parodies of popular heroines and that's the game. When it's supposed to be a police investigation involving superbeings an/or paranormal forces. If the crime is just a robbery then why does Watson need superheroines for back up? And why is he working a simple robbery case in the first place? That's not the kind of case his new department is supposed to handle. In my head it just doesn't feel like it would be consistent with the first episode at all.

Now I know people are saying that same about my idea, but I personally believe I've at-least made an effort to keep the same investigation feel of the original episode and also included a number of previously established MnF characters in my idea.

So why do I think Mizuki is OK but not your 4 characters? This will of course be subjective, I don't expect everyone to agree. But I consider the MnF version of Mizuki to be a recurring character in the games list that could exist inside the MnF metropolis world with no issues. I don't consider your 4 (3 if you discount Bayonetta since she's technically just a character Miss Martian has transformed into) they are basically direct parodies of those original source characters.

The Diva Mizuki character we see in MnF games is not a direct parody of Mizuki Tachibana from the "Choujuushin Gravion" anime series. She's a alternate version of someone else's direct parody of the original. She's changed enough from her original source and given enough MnF lore that the only thing she still has in common are parts of her appearance and half of her name.

I would personally accept your characters if they were original characters simply based off the appearance of those source characters. But your idea implies that they are direct parodies with the same abilities, profession, backstories and everything. Even their hero and real names except for the Wasp's who you've changed from Jane to Zazzala for whatever reason.

You could argue that superpowers exist in MnF Metropolis so does it really matter that they are direct parodies since other characters could exist in this world with those same powers. And I guess you'd be technically correct. At which point I'd just argue that MnF Metropolis is a place for original characters and not parodies.

So then it just boils down to the same base argument of where on the spectrum of "OC - Parody" do you place Diva Mizuki? I consider the MnF version of Mizuki to be an character that exists somewhere in the MnF lore. And because Baka exists in the Metropolis Lore, therefore I see no reason why his established Neighbor/"girlfriend" Diva Misuki couldn't as well. That's how my line of thinking works. I'm fine if you disagree and think that's "non-cannon", but I'd like you to explain your lines of thinking as well so we can better understand each other. Is you're perspective that there are many different versions of Baka? Then as a result, the version of Baka that exists in the Metropolis verse does not have Diva Mizuki as a girlfriend?

I'd honestly like to hear you thoughts on why Diva Mizuki shouldn't be reasonably considered as a MnF Metropolis Character? Beyond the fact that she isn't "superbeing" related. It's not like I'm giving her powers or anything. She's a popular civilian celebrity who's been kidnapped by the supervillian of the episode. Your mission is to take the supervillian down and rescue Mizuki. Are you suggesting that only Cops, Criminals and Superbeigns can exist in MnF Metropolis? There have to be civilians living there too right?

[crocdeloup]

To answer you I will say that our 2 ideas are outside Mnf metropolis.

it does a little bit of stain is meriterai for me of rest in their universe.

For example my idea should be a parody (Marvel + DC universe).

I would like this new universe (Marvel + DC Universe) to be developed by Serega, so that every artist on the site will have a series of super heroes.

[fcrivers]

I will tell you my opinion on your idea

Baka's Girlfriend, Mizuki ... a bit too much... You could sell Mizuki needed someone to take care of the paperwork, hence Baka.

I did love how you set up the encounter between the mad scientist and Natalya.... Giving a free card to your Russian friend. I would change something here though, I would say your friend already has his eyes on Mighty mom, like he saw her catching the villain from the first game and wanted to have a go at her. In the 3rd game Watson would have to dose Mighty Mom with the pheromones used by the Mad Scientists android (Evidence locker in the police station) and create a distraction for Super Son so he would leave the house, and then your Russian friend takes on Mighty Mom who wants it bad.

If you wanted to add comedic value the part where Baka goes alone to save Mizuki would be a good part. Baka could be on the roof (You could even have an image with Watson and the chosen Female Superheroine in front of a warehouse (or any other image you have for the hideout) and we could see Baka on the rooftop, but Watson and the Female Superheroine don't notice him, but you the viewer could..) Watson then sneaks in and you could have Baka falling from the roof or something, hes a goof, he would do something like that. I would also have Mizuki tied, with her clothes partly ripped, she was kidnapped after all.. Baka is unconscious from the fall, and Watson, unties Mizuki who is under the effects of the Penetrator and scene 2 happens. While you have the Female Superheroine outside and scene 3 happens.


When I said that I personally feel like Mizuki and Baka don't fit or Vadim could try and keep the games to original MNF Metropolis characters, this wasn't a personal attack on anyone, just an opinion. I keep my initial opinion that we could have the same plot you have with someone other than Mizuki and Baka and it would be somewhat better and more fitting, but I like the plot nonetheless.


Baka has a game where he ties his own mom, he has another game where he goes to another dimension. Mizuki is taken from an anime, no backstory to her or anything, she was taken from an anime and put into MnF style flash games. I mean if you dont see a problem here and find these characters fitting.... You have way better characters in MnF Metropolis, including those shown on MnF Club MMO

[Jimjim3DX]

Thanks for your response. I'll keep this in mind as I finish working on the dialogue for the script.

Strange, I thought I remembered Mizuki being refrenced as Baka's girlfriend in a number of games but now I can only find this minigame: http://www.meetandfuckgames.com/western/mizuki-tour/

Which is also where the tour idea also came from, and probably porn star idea now that I think of it. So maybe we could say that Mizuki is simply using Baka but he at-least considered himself to be her boyfriend? Since he's pretty naive and everything. I'm guessing we'll have to see what the upcoming Serega game has in terms of "lore" it might back this up or throw everything out the window

My basic idea for Baka would be that he's pretty annoying for Watson, but he is forced to take him along. As the game progresses Baka keeps mentioning more of his past escapades from previous games and Watson keeps getting pissed and a bit jealous at all the girls he's been banging etc at such a young age. So I imagined having a line where Baka talks about being Mizuki's boyfriend as well, adding to Watson's frustration with this kid who somehow happens to be the luckiest guy alive, having fucked all these women, time travel, managing the famous Diva Mizuki, fucing his hot mom , has connections with the Mayor etc. Part of the comedy comes from Watson reacting to all of the ridiculous things Baka has managed to do at such a shot time with little to no effort on his part, while Watson has to all the real work.

It looks like the super-heroine will probably be a new character who will be set up as Watson's actual partner for future cases/episodes. Since he's going to be needing some real backup from someone with superpowers if he's constantly going up against super villains. Obviously Baka is not sticking around. And Mighty Mom already has enough on her plate without working full time with the police. So I think a new heroine is for the best. I havn't figured out what specific powers she has yet though so I'm open to suggestions on that front. I'd like her to be more than just Watson's "muscle" if that makes sense. Like if she had an ability that made her helpful for police work. But she'd definitely need a combat based ability so that she could fight Super Villians where necessary.

Yeah my idea with getting assistance from Major Borchev was to set some potential things up for a future episode if possible, but I guess it'd be up to whoever writes episode 3 to decide who the "lucky" girl is. Good idea though.

Mizuki could have ripped clothes I suppose. My thinking she's been fucking the Penatrator for around 3 days so she'd have lost all her clothes by now. But I I guess that could still work.

I appreciate your response and feedback. I know you wern't trying to attack anyone. I was just trying to defend the logic behind my submission. I feel like the MnF version of Mizuki is a fairly well established character at this point that operates completely separated from her original source material. Unlike say, Slutnade, where she's either referenced as a ninja, wearing her ninja clothes, or fucking naruto parody characters all in full ninja costume or at naruto parody locations. The only time when this isn't the case is where she has the bath game with Rangikumoto and that's set in feudal japan. The MnF Mizuki doesn't have these issues. She easily slides into a modern day scenario and has the connection to Baka who is an established character in the MnF Metropolis so that's why I am making an exception for her. Again, I'm not on some crusade to defend Mizuki, just my reasoning as to why I believe she works fine in the lore where some others don't.

[crocdeloup]

in my opinion you should leave Diva mizuki in Serega
and for me Baka does not bring anything there just a knockoff that values your idea.
Watson should investigate alone with if needed the help of a super heroine.

[Jimjim3DX]

It looks like the super-heroine will probably be a new character who will be set up as Watson's actual partner for future cases/episodes. Since he's going to be needing some real backup from someone with superpowers if he's constantly going up against super villains. Obviously Baka is not sticking around. And Mighty Mom already has enough on her plate without working full time with the police. So I think a new heroine is for the best. I haven't figured out what specific powers she has yet though so I'm open to suggestions on that front. I'd like her to be more than just Watson's "muscle" if that makes sense. Like if she had an ability that made her helpful for police work. But she'd definitely need a combat based ability so that she could fight Super Villians where necessary.

For those who are interested, I have decided on more details of the character. Her Heroine name is "Holly Hotness", but her real name is ""Holly Hoare", but she doesn't like to use her real name since people keep accidentally referring to her as "Whore" since it sounds the same. She's 18 and recently discovered her powers. She has heat abilities, (not fire/flame) she can raise the temperature of objects she touches and eventually melt them, however she can't control her powers very well yet so tries to avoid using them since she accidentally makes her self feel "hot" while using them. I'm referring to that as her "overheating", she gets more aroused the longer she overuses her powers. She also has some other generic heroine traits like a bit of super strength, endurance, speed etc. But she's no Mighty Mom. She's not having much success as an independent heroine and she's flunking college so she's looking for alternate career path when Watson discovers her.

Watson bumps into her during the investigation, and later on when he needs some backup to take down the Penetrator he goes to recruit her when he discovers that Mighty Mom is busy dealing with another situation. He thinks her heat powers will be a good match-up against the Penetrator since she can just melt his android body. However, it turns out that the Penetrator was constructed out of an incredibly strong metal alloy that the Scientist invented/discovered himself. So Holly isn't able to melt his body in time before she is defeated as a result of his pheromones as well as her rising arousal caused by the overuse of her heat ability. (Overheating)